| nyalphamale | 2007-12-02 18:34:00 |
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It's Monday, April 23, 2007, 6:34 PM. Has Yashin been bought out yet? |
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Alexei Yashin
| Bossy573 | 2007-12-02 18:42:00 |
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"Line 6 Buyout Cap Hit 07-08 2019 Buyout Cap Hit 08-09 2019 Buyout Cap Hit 09-10 3235 Buyout Cap Hit 10-11 4755 Buyout Cap Hit 11-12 2204 Buyout Cap Hit 12-13 2204 Buyout Cap Hit 13-14 2204 Buyout Cap Hit 14-15 2204" This confuses me. Anybody understand why the Islanders would be charged against the cap more than they are actually paying this jerk? |
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| mattyboy | 2007-12-02 19:06:00 |
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What I wonder is how would people vote if Charles said "Ok, we're buying him out but it's too big a hit to re-invest that money toward the cap." Just curious if folks feel that it is such an addition by subtraction that you'd want him bought out if you knew that the 5 million in new cap space would be effectively "dead space". I just notice that people now expect ownership to spend right to the cap regardless of finances etc. I'd be very interested in hearing your replies. If the money wasn't gonna be "re-spent" on a top line player or D-man or whatever would you still want Yash bought out because you feel that just having him around drags the team down or is his buy out a means to an end for you and more a way to create more cap room to improve the team? Please give me your thoughts. I'm very curious. |
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| Mouth | 2007-12-02 19:13:00 |
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What I wonder is how would people vote if Charles said "Ok, we're buying him out but it's too big a hit to re-invest that money toward the cap." Just curious if folks feel that it is such an addition by subtraction that you'd want him bought out if you knew that the 5 million in new cap space would be effectively "dead space". I just notice that people now expect ownership to spend right to the cap regardless of finances etc. I'd be very interested in hearing your replies. |
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| iggy | 2007-12-02 19:24:00 |
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Please explain something If Yashin passes through waivers he can be sent to Bridgeport Now would we get hit with the cap if he is off the roster? If so, we have to pay this guy no matter what so let him play in the minors Maybe eventually someone might take a chance on him |
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| Bossy573 | 2007-12-02 19:59:00 |
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I'd be very interested in hearing your replies. |
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| my friend | 2007-12-02 20:19:00 |
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What I wonder is how would people vote if Charles said "Ok, we're buying him out but it's too big a hit to re-invest that money toward the cap." Just curious if folks feel that it is such an addition by subtraction that you'd want him bought out if you knew that the 5 million in new cap space would be effectively "dead space". I just notice that people now expect ownership to spend right to the cap regardless of finances etc. I'd be very interested in hearing your replies. If the money wasn't gonna be "re-spent" on a top line player or D-man or whatever would you still want Yash bought out because you feel that just having him around drags the team down or is his buy out a means to an end for you and more a way to create more cap room to improve the team? Please give me your thoughts. I'm very curious. [right][snapback]233139[/snapback][/right] Matty, I've always felt that the best option re. Yashin is to demote him. Subtract him and his Cap-Hit from the lineup, and leave that empty Cap Space there. I would honestly be ecstatic with Wang were he to do that. Wang would still spend the same money on the team, but we'd be able to "Win" almost every trade we'd make. When a "Franchise" or "Elite" player from another team becomes available for Cap reasons, we could then swoop in and make a deal. Even if it takes a couple of years for that to happen. For example: The Joe Thorton deal. San Jose won that deal, because they had the Cap space. My scenario goes like this: To start next year, Yashin goes down. Wang saves $7.4 mil on the Cap, so we stay $7.4 mil UNDER the Cap. The following year it stays the same. In the third year, Yashin's salary goes down by about a mil, so you add that back to the team's payroll. The 4th year, his salary goes down another $2mil, so you add that back to the payroll. The 5th year, Yashin is gone, so you spend up to whatever your budget is. Another benifit is that, come the trade deadline, If the team looks good, you could still make a deal for an impending UFA. If Yashin should retire, you move up the timeline for spending his money. In the meantime, you only draft, sign, and trade for players you KNOW will bust it every night, and you will have a team that's better than the sum of it's parts, just like we had this year. For anyone who thinks you can't win this way, I say this: Look at Buff. Tell me, how did they get Briere and Drury? Did they pay them the $6 mil we'll have to this summer? NO! And only now are they due for serious coin. They've had them both for a few years now, and they haven't been paid big $$... YET. So lets not repeat the mistakes of the past, and Ask Wang to pony up for another "savior". Yes, we should keep Smyth, and try to build the best team possible, but we've already had a taste of Smyth on this team, in the PLAYOFFS, so we KNOW what we're getting with him. We are lucky that we have Nolan, so we should take advantage of that. I'm not saying he'll turn water to wine, but I don't doubt that Nolan will be THE reason a guy like Bergie, or Comaeu, or Nokie will become a player that other team's covet, just as we now do with Gomez, Briere, Drury. That can't happen if you undermine Nolan by keeping Yashin here. As to the finances, I won't ask Wang to shell out $17 mil., take a HUGE Cap hit for 8!!!! years, AND spend all that coin on a replacement. I also don't think he'll go back to the Milstein days either. All I ask is that he gives the guys who are WORTH keeping a chance to WIN. |
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| Bossy573 | 2007-12-02 20:29:00 |
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To start next year, Yashin goes down. Wang saves $7.4 mil on the Cap, so we stay $7.4 mil UNDER the Cap. The following year it stays the same. In the third year, Yashin's salary goes down by about a mil, so you add that back to the team's payroll. The 4th year, his salary goes down another $2mil, so you add that back to the payroll. The 5th year, Yashin is gone, so you spend up to whatever your budget is. [right][snapback]233168[/snapback][/right] Does it really work like that? If he's demoted to Bridgeport his salary doesn't count against the cap? Could the Islanders really get away with putting a guy making almost $8 million per in the minors for 4 years? |
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| my friend | 2007-12-02 20:35:00 |
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Does it really work like that? If he's demoted to Bridgeport his salary doesn't count against the cap? Could the Islanders really get away with putting a guy making almost $8 million per in the minors for 4 years? [right][snapback]233170[/snapback][/right] As far as I know Yes. That's what Lou Lamoriello did with Malakov, and Mogilny. A couple of months after he signed them, he sent them both down, and took ALL of their $$ off the Cap. You can only do it with UFA's that signed with you before the age of 35. That's why we couldn't do it with Snow. |
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| scatchard38 | 2007-12-02 20:49:00 |
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What I wonder is how would people vote if Charles said "Ok, we're buying him out but it's too big a hit to re-invest that money toward the cap." |
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