| gazaroog | 2008-04-22 13:58:00 |
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Well, this move is too clearly make the Sound Tigers better this year, i don't think it has anything to do with the Isles future. I just don't think you bother with something like this. Noke has the tools to be a fine NHL'er, he's 2 years younger and never has really gotten the chance. It just seems to me the Isles keep throwing away players without knowing anything about them. I agree with you I4L. And to say that Nokelainen was a player that wouldn't fit under Nolan, doesn't make any sense at all, because he is exactly what would excel under an aggressive forecheck, accountable system. If you didn't give yourself an opportunity to see how Nokelainen played under a fully healthy year, how can you get a good assessment of him. You have to give someone like that more time. If this was a guy like Jeremy Colliton, I say, that's cool, but Nokelainen had a lot more to offer. |
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Quick Question On The Nokie/walter Trade
| aa03 | 2008-04-22 14:09:00 |
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Scott.....Dipietro is the only #1 pick in the last seven years to be playing for this team. Simply said, that's abysmal and must change if we're to be successful long term. Hunter, we acquired through a trade he doesn't count.....I'm only talking about developing players who we draft. Folks seem to rely more on Boston's ability to evaluate talent...let's judge their first round picks since 01. 2000 - Lars Jonsson, First Round, Pick 7 (now with Flyers, played 8 NHL games last year) 2000 - Martin Samuelsson, First Round, Pick 27 (played in sweden, not sure if Boston still has rights) 2001 - Shane Morrissonn First Round, Pick 19 (now with the Capitals) 2002 -- Hannu Toivonen, First Round, Pick 29 (still in org. but played a whopping 18 NHL games last year). 2003-- Mark Stuart, Firt Round, Pick 21 (still in org. but played a whopping 15 NHL games last year). 2004 - No first round pick 2005 - Matt lashof, First Round, Pick 22 (played 12 NHL games last year) 2006 - Phil Kessell, First Round, Pick 5 (70 games played). So, of those draft years, only Kessel is truly a major player in their organization. Now, this could very well mean that we shouldn't be acquiring Boston's draft picks, because they suck too...but, let's not get carried away judging Boston's ability to evaluate talent. |
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| Pure Slaughter Value | 2008-04-22 15:28:00 |
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2006 - Phil Kessell, First Round, Pick 5 (70 games played). So, of those draft years, only Kessel is truly a major player in their organization. Now, this could very well mean that we shouldn't be acquiring Boston's draft picks, because they suck too...but, let's not get carried away judging Boston's ability to evaluate talent. No kidding. The only prospect worth anything on Boston is Goes to show a lot of people that teams such as Pitt and Washington have excellent prospects because the team was atrocious on the ice and got top 5 pick status. Which is why I harp on that Okpuso's the only legit first liner in the Isles org, whereas all the rest are hopefuls. Okpuso being the only gem isn't a concern. If we had been drafting in slots 1-10 the past five years there'd be more than just DP on the roster. |
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| 303Joe | 2008-04-22 15:35:00 |
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So would have Snow, in fact I am sure he wanted to and tried to. In all of the cases you state above. It was the players who chose not to come back or take longer deals. Poti and Kozlov took the money and ran before Snow could even make up a counter proposal, not to mention he was working on Blake and Smyth at the same time which Im sure too precident. Likewise Snow was making multi-year offers to Hunter all along right up until the arb day. Hunter's agent made it very clear that this is what they wanted. Hopefully we can secure him long term before he gets away, but it isnt as simple as saying we should do this... all the time. Not exactly sure that Poti and Kozlov ran before Snow could make a counter. Snow had all season and 2 months of the offseason to sign Poti, Kozlov and Blake to extensions they just chose not to for whatever reason. If I were the players I wouldn't have come back for a counter proposal after getting a good offer. The 3 years at 10 million to Blake was a joke they had no intention to keep him. 3.3-3.4 a year for a guy who pumped in 40 goals wasn't cutting it. Good for Blake for getting that much money yes Toronto overpaid but what do you expect Blake to walk away. I'm pretty sure Hunter will use UFA right and test the market next summer. Hopefully the guy gets a ton of money for him and his family. |
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| Witty User Name | 2008-04-22 16:07:00 |
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Not exactly sure that Poti and Kozlov ran before Snow could make a counter. Snow had all season and 2 months of the offseason to sign Poti, Kozlov and Blake to extensions they just chose not to for whatever reason. If I were the players I wouldn't have come back for a counter proposal after getting a good offer. The 3 years at 10 million to Blake was a joke they had no intention to keep him. 3.3-3.4 a year for a guy who pumped in 40 goals wasn't cutting it. Good for Blake for getting that much money yes Toronto overpaid but what do you expect Blake to walk away. I'm pretty sure Hunter will use UFA right and test the market next summer. Hopefully the guy gets a ton of money for him and his family. Kozlov, to me at least, was not worth the contract he signed. Especially considering his houdini act for various parts of the season. Blake, there is no way in hell that I wanted the Islanders to re-sign that guy at that kind of money. Again, I have no issue with him leaving or the Isles letting him leave. Poti, was offered the same exact deal MINUS one year here and he opted to take the extra year. For a guy who has only one good NHL season under his belt a 4 year deal it just a bit much. Quite honestly, I agree with letting all 3 walk. Not just because of the contracts they received either. I like the direction Snow and Nolan are taking this team in and IMHO none of those 3 fit into the new system very well. |
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| NyIslesRus | 2008-04-22 16:13:00 |
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I think Blake is the only player that left you could make a case for. I wasn't for giving him the contract he wanted at his age. Notice that the only team to giev him that contract was a team that needed to save face. Toronto needed to quiet the fans from an uprising so they went out and overpaid for someone who was looking to, well, be overpaid. Blake and Toronto were perfect matches as in they both needed eachother. Blake needed someone to overpay and Toronto, with the limited cap space, needed a flashy, yet marginal player they could add to the roster. Blake may have scored 40 goals, but realize who the coach was during that season. Ted Nolan has more of an impact on players than most here are willing to give him credit for. It is very, very doubtful Blake will produce another 40 goal season, I am willing to bet my entire account on it. |
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| gazaroog | 2008-04-22 16:27:00 |
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Kozlov, to me at least, was not worth the contract he signed. Especially considering his houdini act for various parts of the season. Blake, there is no way in hell that I wanted the Islanders to re-sign that guy at that kind of money. Again, I have no issue with him leaving or the Isles letting him leave. Poti, was offered the same exact deal MINUS one year here and he opted to take the extra year. For a guy who has only one good NHL season under his belt a 4 year deal it just a bit much. Quite honestly, I agree with letting all 3 walk. Not just because of the contracts they received either. I like the direction Snow and Nolan are taking this team in and IMHO none of those 3 fit into the new system very well. Witty, I agree with 2 of the 3 moves. The one I didn't agree with was Kozlov. We lack talent up front and Victor has a ton of it. Granted, it wasn't there all season, but then again, who is really? His offense and talent up front will be missed. He really looked like his game was starting to kick in for the first time in his career. |
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| beezer | 2008-04-22 16:36:00 |
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While I agree with what has been said about Koz, I think his numbers will fall off a bit next season. I think he found a niche here and moved on before allowing himself to settle in. Not to mention with him gone and Yash bought out we have no one left to call "that lousy good for nothing lazy russian" whenever we lose this year. |
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| Pure Slaughter Value | 2008-04-22 16:39:00 |
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While I agree with what has been said about Koz, I think his numbers will fall off a bit next season. I think he found a niche here and moved on before allowing himself to settle in. Not to mention with him gone and Yash bought out we have no one left to call "that lousy good for nothing lazy russian" whenever we lose this year. We have Ruslan Fedotenko, that lousy good for nothing lazy Russian. |
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| ShoresofCampoli | 2008-04-22 16:43:00 |
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I don't know anything about Walters but they Islanders do have a log jam or 3rd liners. How the frak did it take this long for someone to say this? Nokie was always projected as a third liner and, as this years' team shows, we are not short on them and neither is the rest of the nhl. Why not take a chance on Walter? |
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